How Title Pros Use AI to Reach Real Estate Agents at Scale | Ep 94
Episode Summary
Sabrina Bier, Director of Digital Media and Education at Proper Title in Chicago, reveals how she uses AI tools like ChatGPT and Claude to automate daily content creation while maintaining the human touch that builds relationships. She discusses Chicago’s unique attorney-driven closing process, common knowledge gaps among real estate agents about title insurance, seller impersonation fraud red flags, and practical strategies for making technical title topics engaging online. Sabrina emphasizes consistency over virality and shares how to time-block content creation alongside daily operations. She also breaks down the difference between condos and co-ops in Chicago.
About Sabrina Bier
Sabrina Bier is Director of Digital Media and Education at Proper Title in Chicago, where she creates practical education for agents, attorneys, and real estate professionals. A former top-producing real estate broker in the top 3% of Chicago agents from 2009-2013, she specialized in short sales and foreclosures after the 2008 crash. She holds a mathematics degree from Florida Atlantic University and is actively involved with the American Land Title Association’s marketing work group.
Key Takeaways
- Most real estate agents, even top producers, don’t understand what title insurance does or why liens and judgments must be cleared before closing.
- Set up scheduled AI tasks in ChatGPT or Claude to email you daily content drafts for LinkedIn, Instagram, and Facebook that you can edit and post in minutes.
- Stop chasing viral posts and focus on the 2,000 hyper-local followers you already have—they’re your actual referral sources.
- Seller impersonation fraud is rising in Chicago; red flags include sellers who won’t appear on Zoom, vacant properties, and deals that move unusually fast.
- The most engaging title content features micro-influencers from your team on video showing personality, not just automated posts.
- Chicago’s attorney-directed closing process is unique—attorneys, not realtors, typically direct title orders, except in affiliated brokerage relationships.
- Co-ops differ from condos because you own shares in a corporation, not a percentage of the building, and HOA fees include property taxes without a separate tax pin.
Episode Chapters
| Time | Topic |
|---|---|
| 00:00 | Intro and Sabrina’s background |
| 02:15 | From realtor to title: Sabrina’s career journey |
| 06:30 | Chicago’s unique attorney-driven closing process |
| 09:45 | Role as director of digital media and education |
| 12:20 | Knowledge gaps real estate agents have about title |
| 16:40 | Seller impersonation fraud and warning signs |
| 19:55 | Making technical title topics engaging online |
| 23:10 | AI automation for consistent content creation |
| 27:35 | Chicago-specific issues: co-ops vs condos |
| 30:20 | ALTA involvement and professional development |
| 32:45 | Closing thoughts on AI in title insurance |
Full Transcript
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In a world where change is the only constant, Mo Shumil stands at the forefront, guiding title professionals to not just grow their businesses, but to master the art of innovation. With every episode, you're handed the keys to unlock unparalleled growth and stay ahead of the curve. Get ready for a transformative journey. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Title Agents podcast. I am your host, Mo Shumil, CEO of Alltech National Title.
Today I have the pleasure of having Sabrina Beer from Proper Title in Chicago, where she serves as director of digital media and education. She helps create practical education for agents, attorneys, and other real estate professionals. Welcome to the show, Sabrina. Thanks, Mo. Thanks for having me.
So as we always start the show, we'd love to hear your story, where you grew up, how you get into this business, all that fun stuff about you that people don't know. Well, I think I'm no different than anyone else in title. I just kind of fell into it. You mean you did not go to school for title insurance? I did not.
I went to school for mathematics, which is kind of weird. So I grew up in Houston, Texas, originally from New York, but my growing up years were in Houston. And then my alma mater is in Miami or South Florida, Florida Atlantic University. And then I graduated from college and as a first generation college grad, and my parents had both moved to the Chicagoland area. And I was waiting tables and bartending in South Beach, and they were like, absolutely not.
So I came up here and it was the summer and I fell in love with the city of Chicago. And I've been here ever since. I'm not going to tell you how many years, because it's been at least two decades. So I started working for a statistical software company, which is really interesting, Mo. They were doing like AI, what we know as AI now, way before it was ever defined.
It was web mining, text mining, data mining. So it's really cool because now my world has made a complete circle because I've been doing a lot of AI stuff. In 2005, I started dabbling in real estate. I got licensed realtor and I started dabbling. The market was hot like fire and I was doing it part time.
And I decided to quit my software job and go full time as a realtor. And that was 2006. And I started building that business. And then 2007, the housing market crashed, I mean, burned and crashed. And I was like, oh, no, I'm in the middle of the ocean with a life preserver.
Like, what do I do? And I started using that analytical side of me and started specializing in short sales and foreclosures. And I built a very successful real estate career as a real estate broker. I had a team. I was a top producer in the top 3% of Chicago real estate brokers from 2009 till 2013.
And I had then some personal health issues. I had some health issues and the stress of just kind of that realtor vibe, always on the go and always on. And I think was getting to me and I felt like I owed it to myself to have kind of like a Monday through Friday, nine to five. And then I got this job at Proper Title. And I have been there ever since.
It's been 10 years now. And my health has been in remission. So there is something to that. Something to say about having weekends off. Yeah, something.
I don't know if I really have them off because I feel like my mind keeps going. I think it's personality trait more than like what we do, but, you know, it's great. So what's one fun fact or surprising fact about Chicago real estate that most people don't know? Like in the title industry? Yeah.
So I think the biggest thing is that we use real estate attorneys in our transactions all the time. And that is very different than every other part of the nation. I think there's like four other areas and it's only in Chicago and the surrounding suburbs in the Collier County. It's not even downstate Illinois. So it's definitely, from a title insurance perspective, it's definitely an extra step that a lot of other title agents and title companies in different parts of the nation don't understand.
It's definitely very unique where actually the attorneys direct transactions to the title companies versus the realtor. That's right. Yeah. And so we are also, we also have Proper Title also has offices in Northwest Indiana, which we like to call like a suburb of Chicago. But they function like a lot of the rest of the nation where the real estate broker orders title.
So your role is focused on digital media and education. What's your day like? Like day-to-day? Oh my gosh, every day is completely different. So my main job is really to kind of be the liaison in between the real estate brokers and then title and real estate attorneys.
So we kind of clump all of this together. And to kind of build opportunities for real estate brokers to, in the Chicagoland area, to build relationships with attorneys and in the Northwest Indiana area to build a relationship with our title company. And so I truly strongly believe and always have believed that education is a huge component of that. And so a lot of what I do is build up educational programs for whether it be for our staff or for attorney-led broker trainings or proper title-led broker trainings or proper title-led attorney continuing education. So I spend all day thinking about ways to do that in person or digitally, including strategy for social media, strategy for just any kind of digital media in general.
So what knowledge gaps do you see most often in newer real estate agents when it comes to title and closings? You know, it's interesting and I am not embarrassed to say, although I should. I mean, I was like, I told you, a top producing realtor and I had no idea what title insurance was. And I mean, that's crazy, right? But that's what I'm trying to change.
I think a lot of real estate brokers don't really understand what title insurance does, why you need it, why it's so important, and what happens on the back end. Like I knew the escrow side, right? I knew the closing table side. I knew where I picked up my check. But I didn't really understand all the types of liens and judgments, et cetera, that come along with purchasing a property that needs to be cleared.
I didn't understand that. And I think a lot of brokers don't. So I feel like it's my part to really try to make sure that they understand that. And what do experienced agents still get wrong, even after years in the business, from your experience? Yeah, I think a lot of times they don't know what they don't know, right?
So all of us in the title insurance industry, I mean, I feel like we learn something new every single day, right? So if this is our niche and we're learning new stuff every day and can only imagine what the real estate brokers are learning every day, some of the big things I think is they don't really understand who owns the property sometimes, especially if it's something like where a parent passed away and the kids are trying to sell the property or anything like that. But they don't really understand that. They don't understand like easements and encroachments and survey disputes. There's just so many pieces of title that they don't really understand.
So my approach has always been like, here's my cell phone number. You don't need me until you need me. You don't know you need me until you need me, right? So just put my name in there, put title insurance, put proper title. And that way, when a title thing comes up, you can just call me.
And I might not know the answer, but I know the people that know the answer. You're one call away, one person away from getting the answer. Exactly. So how does a better title education actually translate into smoother transactions in real estate? Yeah, I think getting ahead of stuff, right?
So the more you know, even if it's like you don't know it, but like I said, you know who to call, even if you don't know the answer, but also to hear as people are talking kind of like red flags, if you will, or caution flags, maybe they should be yellow. So that you can get ahead of something prior to sitting at the closing table or being a week before closing or something like that. So deep fraud is something proper title has been highlighting recently. What is it in plain terms and what warning signs should title agents and homeowners and realtors know? Yeah, so as we all know, fraud in all kinds of different ways are heightened.
They're moving so fast. These fraudsters are extremely intelligent, if you will, or at least the technology is extremely intelligent. And here in Chicago... Now augmented with AI, which is getting scarier. It's getting scarier and bigger and bigger.
And like even people that aren't very smart can do it now, right? And these emails look like a little scary. So I think one of the biggest types of frauds that we see in Chicago, outside of like email fraud and wire fraud, right? So someone sending an email telling you, oh, from proper title or not, or from wherever saying you should wire this money here. And now augmented with AI, which is scarier.
It's getting scarier and bigger and bigger. And like even people that aren't very smart can do it now. Right. And these these emails look like a little scary. So I think one of the biggest types of frauds that we see in Chicago outside of like email fraud and wire fraud.
Right. So someone's sending an email telling you, oh, from proper title or not, or from wherever saying you should wire this money here. But is seller impersonation fraud, I think, is really huge. Chicago is the third largest city in the United States. Therefore, obviously, we have a ton of real estate transactions all the time.
And being a realtor is extremely competitive. Therefore, sometimes that people get excited. The real estate broker gets excited when they get a phone call from a seller. And instead of taking a step back and being like, oh, I've never seen this person. I've never met this person.
They won't go on a Zoom with me. The property is vacant and all of these things. They just hurry up and move on because they're so excited to have the sale. And I really wish everybody would just slow down just a little bit when they're in these transactions. It seems like short sales seem to be coming back a little bit into the conversation.
What should title agents who have never handled one transaction in short sale understand right now before they encounter one? The title agent? Yes. And a realtor of both. Yeah, I was like, well, our staff is extremely, we don't really have a lot of new people.
We have a lot of seasoned staff, so they all know short sales. We've also done training throughout the years on short sales and REOs and stuff, even when they weren't heightened, even when they weren't, just because they still have always existed in all the different markets. So we've always done internal trainings on that. I don't really, I don't know what a, from a title agent perspective, because ours are all educated or experienced in that. How about a novice title agent who wants to get their feet wet so they get a, hopefully don't come back at all, but it makes space probably.
Yeah, I can't foresee them coming back unless something happens, right? Which, who knows? Or not coming back anytime soon with the way that property values are going up, especially in our market. But yeah, I don't know, to answer your question, I'm not really sure what they should do. I mean, get educated is really, I mean, contact your underwriter, take a class, sit down with an experienced person and understand.
There's a lot of, again, a lot of fraud in that too that can happen. So to be aware of those caution flags as well. And have a lot of patience. A lot of patience. They do take a long time.
That's, make sure the expectations are set on both sides of the transaction is huge. So let's switch gears to digital media and content. Oh, that's my favorite. I know. What have you learned about making dry or technical title topics actually engage in online?
Yeah, they say, well, title isn't sexy. I beg to differ. You know, it's interesting because people constantly say that title insurance and escrow services aren't that interesting, right? And honestly, they really are. Like if you really dive in deep to some of these things that are so common that we do all the time.
So we kind of look over. But when you think about the general public, the homeowner, they're typically only buying one, two, maybe three, four at the max three properties in their entire lifetime. And there's usually these big gaps in between, right? So they're not going to remember a lot of these terms that we see and say all the time. So for instance, in some suburban areas, you might have like a shared driveway.
Well, what does that actually mean? Why don't you talk about it in a video, right? Or a tree encroachment, right? Or something like, you know, there's so many user case scenarios and the best way to get those things is to talk to your title examiners, your underwriters, your closers, and actually be like, hey, what are some things that have come up on this property in the past month or the past week or ask them to write them down as they come up so that you can create a story? Because the biggest part of digital media and the biggest part of capturing people's attention is storytelling.
So when you can turn these things into an actual story, like don't use the person's name or the address, right? But like make it a very generic story. It actually is kind of interesting. Can you dig to the center of the earth? That's my favorite one.
Can you? You have to listen to my story. I can't wait to check it out. What should a title agent or real estate professional listening right now do in the next 30 days if they want to become a stronger educator in their own market? Be consistent.
Keep doing it. Block out the time on your calendar and get it done. Like make it something that you do every day or every Tuesday or every, you know, whatever. But a lot of times, a lot of title agents, like I'm blessed in the way that this is what I do all day, every day. So this is where my mind stays all day.
But a lot of title agencies that are smaller, they're wearing multiple different hats, right? So when you think about digital media or marketing or PR or anything like that, it a lot of times falls down to the bottom of the to-do list because they don't feel like it's directly revenue generating. And of course it is directly revenue generating, but they don't see the immediate result. The only way you're going to see results in that is if you actually do it consistently. And the only way it's not going to fall off your to-do list is if you time block it just like you would anything else.
I'm a big believer in automation, especially like I kind of augments and literally just exponentially the automation piece. I want some ideas for title agents to automate or time blockings plus automation to kind of create this kind of well-run on machine content and elevate their brand while they're doing their main closings or title searches or title examination, all the fun stuff that happens in the transaction. Yeah. So I'm going to try not to go too high level on this and I'm going to go real basic. And I'm going to say one of the easiest, quickest ways to do this is whether, you know, still, even though a lot of us have moved over to Claude because it's way more powerful of a large language model, a lot of people are still using ChatGBT.
So either one, it doesn't really matter, but to set up a task, a scheduled task. So every single morning I have, now I have Claude, but I have ChatGBT, give me, it sends me an email with the subject matter. It sends me an email that I can put as a LinkedIn post, as an Instagram real script, as a Facebook post. And it gives me it all. I just read through it.
I edit it to whatever I want to be. And then I post it. You can have it create images for you. You can, I mean, we can go in deep to the automation. Well, you can go in deep to the automation, that's for sure.
Well, that's why we're building, you and I spoke before, building TitleGPT, that AI is really for that mark, the education piece on AI. And really kind of the goal for to empower tele-agents to have almost set it and forget it kind of thing. You set up an hour, kind of a discovery call, and after that you set up the tone for like a three, four, five month sequence of content. It's a lot. I mean, you're wearing a lot of hats for especially small tele-agencies to kind of trying to do closing, sell, do all so many, do accounting, do escrow reconciliation and so many things.
They're all kind of pulling in each direction. You want to kind of lift, take that pain away, at least for the marketing piece and brand building. And that's the goal for it. Yeah. And I think that it's wonderful, right?
Like you said, especially for people that are wearing multiple hats. I mean, the automation is key. I mean, that cuts down hours worth of work, right? That can just be done while they're sleeping. They wake up in the morning and they know exactly what their content's going to be and get it done.
But I will say the number one content that gets the most engagement is where you have, I like to call them like micro-influencers within your company, and you get them on a video and you show a personality, whether that's your escrow officers or your front desk person or your account executive or your CEO, whatever it is, right? So utilize something that's automated like you're talking about, but don't forget to still put in that human. We are in a relationship business and still put that human component in there because as much as some of us are into AI and we're loving it, there's a lot of people that haven't even touched it yet and they still want that old-fashioned handshake. So I just want to employ people to still time block, whether it's once a week or once every two weeks, to just take some pictures of your team in your office and post it on social media or put it in your e-blast or put it on your website or whatever, and then utilize all this automation that happens where you don't have to think about it and at least you're staying consistent, right? So that helps with that consistency.
The consistency is definitely the key. Most people see these influencers like, oh, they have one of a million followers. They're making tens of millions of dollars a year, but you don't understand that overnight success took 10 years, 15 years. Like Mr. Beast was like the number one media influencer in the world, but he started with 12, 13 years before happens where you don't have to think about it.
And at least you're staying consistent, right? So that helps with that consistency. The consistency is definitely the key. It was most people see these influencers, like, oh, they have, what have a million of followers. They're making tens of millions of dollars a year.
We don't understand that overnight success took 10 years, 15 years, like Mr. Beast was like the number one media influencer, like in the world. But he started with 12, 13, like 12, 13 years before he became an overnight success. Yeah, and I will say like, stop trying to go viral. Stop, I mean, you don't need 10 million followers, right?
Those people are selling to large audiences of people. We are super hyper and local niche. You know, a lot of title companies, most title companies are brick and mortar and they service a particular area. So if you're trying to get these, who cares? If you have 2000 followers on a platform, that is 2000 people that could potentially refer you business.
And most of them are probably hyper local. You can look at your analytics and find out, but those are your people. And to spend more time thinking about how to transition those people into actual deals versus how to get more followers, because you're not even nursing the people that you have already, you know, instead of going out and grabbing them. And that's why I love like the automation thing, because it's keeping you front of mind to the people that you're already connected to. That's awesome.
That's, yeah, you know, people mistake the followers for sometimes it's just vanity. Like if you want to feel good with a lot of posts, great. But if you want to get business out of it, it's two different strategies. Yeah, for sure. I agree.
I mean, sometimes I fall into that too. I'm like, oh, only 22 people liked my post. 22 people is still is way more people than it would take for me to make 22 phone calls. Yeah. Can we shift gears more to Chicago again?
And as you're a Chicago specialist, what do agents and attorneys most often misunderstand each other during a transaction and what fixes it? And this is kind of specific to Chicago and our audience in the national. So they kind of different ways and do it for nuances. How can title companies and attorneys play well, play nice, kind of help each other? Yeah, so the title company attorney relationship is really interesting.
There are a lot of people that are super loyal because they know exactly who to call when they need something done, right? They have everybody's phone numbers, email addresses, a lot of times all of our cell phone numbers. And it's that just kind of one-on-one relationship when they need to get stuff done fast, they know that they can just make a quick phone call or send a quick text message. Then there's a lot of attorneys that deal with multiple different title companies. There's also a lot of affiliated title companies that are affiliated with brokerages, and then you have the attorney in there as well.
So very unique to Chicago is if you're working with one realtor at a specific company, they want you to work with this specific title insurance agent. And if you're working with another broker at another company, they want you to work with this other title agent. And so that almost becomes a little harder for the attorney because if they're high volume, they have to contact multiple different title companies versus just working with one. And so that sometimes make it a little bit different because although the seller directs title, technically, really the attorney is directing title unless it's an affiliated broker, then the broker directs title. So that makes it a little bit harder in Chicago versus like a lot of the rest of the nation, the way that we build relationships is a little bit more complicated.
What's one Chicago specific issue you actually enjoy teaching? I like teaching about the different types of properties. So we actually have a decent amount of co-ops in Chicago, which a lot of people are scared of or don't understand. So I find it enjoyable to teach about that difference between condos and co-ops. If you don't mind, can you explain what a co-op, for the producer may not have heard of the term or they may not understand it?
Yeah, sure. So a condominium where you have a high rise, let's just say, or however big the building is and you have a condo and that condo is a percentage of ownership in the building. And then you have HOA or condominium association fees that handle the overall stuff, the common lights or the elevator or the roof or the facade. But you own that percentage and you have that percentage of ownership of the building. In a co-op, you are part of this entity.
You don't actually own the unit. You are part of the business of the building. And your HOA fees, for instance, have the taxes included. You don't have your own pin. Like in a condominium, I have my own pin that I pay taxes on like I'm the owner of.
In a co-op, you don't have that. So the ownership is different where you're just part of this entity versus being a owner of this lot, this building. It's like owning a share in a corporation. That's correct. Share.
Yep, that's a really good way to put it. Thank you for that explanation. And I'm pretty confident. Some people never heard of the term, may not have closed any of them. I didn't even think about that.
I guess that's true. So let's, I know you and I met through ALTA, American Land Title Association, and you're very involved in different committees and speaking engagements. Can you talk about your involvement with ALTA and all the wonderful things you're doing? Yeah, so when I came over to the title insurance side of the business, as I mentioned, as a top producing realtor, I knew nothing about title insurance and I had to learn quickly. And my first thing at ProperTitle was to sit down and from the time a deal came in and sit with all the people that touched that file, and I learned so much and I recommend anyone that's new or has someone new joining the industry to do that because it's amazing to see the different pieces because most of us just see a closing table.
But then I wanted to learn more and I joined our Illinois Land Title Association along with the American Land Title Association and started to get really involved in understanding that one, that title insurance is different everywhere. Not the concept, but how we run as companies. Customs and yeah, different. Yeah, and the way, just who pays for what and just all the things are very different as you go from state to state or region to region. And when I decided to join American Land Title Association or ALTA and I got involved in the marketing work group because I'm a marketer, I'm actually a self-taught marketer.
I deep dive into anything digital media and marketing while other people are binge watching TV and watching sports. And I got really interested in it and the best part about it was sitting in these rooms, whether they were virtual or in-person with these other marketers at other title companies, most self-taught as well, and the idea sharing was just amazing and actually I believe that it elevated my career. That's fantastic. So what do you do for fun? I do a lot of things for fun.
I live in downtown Chicago, so everything is- Beautiful city, especially this time of the year when it's getting warmer. Now in the winter, I watch a lot of YouTube and learn a lot of things, go to the gym a lot. Summer is outside by the lake and- Yeah, in the summer, I try to be outside as much as possible. I have a lot of friends that live downtown. We go try that, you know, we're a great food city.
So anybody, if you haven't been to Chicago, come and eat at all of our amazing restaurants. So we try different restaurants. The summer is filled with street festivals. Every weekend, there's at least two or three street festivals. There's 77 neighborhoods in Chicago.
There's about to be 78 and they all have their own distinct feel and they all have their own different vibes. So just exploring my city is really exciting and the different restaurants and ethnic foods and cultures is really what excites me and what I do kind of for fun. That's awesome. So getting to a close here, any last words before we ask the last couple of questions to the title agents, attorneys, and realtors? So I think, I guess I just want to close because as you and I have talked about before, this AI era that we're in right now, I think is really scary to a lot of people.
And I just, I want to tell them that although it has advanced so much in the past three months and even more in the past year, and it's going to continue to just go super fast, that you're not like behind as long as you start to get started, right? And I was teaching a class the other day about different AI things. And there was a lot of people in the audience that this was their first time ever really sitting down and taking the time to learn about it. So you're not behind and you don't have to know how to do everything. So for instance, they can, you know, when you bring out your product, right?
They don't have to create that product. These are going to exist. You're not, like, behind as long as you start to get started, right? And I was teaching a class the other day about different AI things, and there was a lot of people in the audience that this was their first time ever really sitting down and taking the time to learn about it. So you're not behind, and you don't have to know how to do everything.
So for instance, they can, you know, when you bring out your product, right, they don't have to create that product. These are going to exist. They just need to know how to implement them and not to be scared of it. And I think we're going to see a lot of that in our industry across the board, whether it is title, whether it's lending, whether it's brokerage, whatever, insurance, whatever it is, I think we're going to see a lot of that. And to just start learning about it instead of being like, ah, I don't want to do that.
Yeah. And I've been talking about AI, preaching it in this podcast the last two or three years. And in the last three months, I made the biggest advance in pod technology ever with agentic AI and actually having AI do stuff for you versus just advanced Google search. And I have zero engineering skills, and I'm able to build stuff, which is fascinating. I can't get enough sleep.
Before I am, just ideas come and it's exciting with zero engineering background or coding background. Right. This self-taught era, right, like I was just saying about myself, is really amazing because there's so much information out there that if you want to learn something, you just go and learn it. And yeah, the agentic AI is fascinating. And I feel like I'm behind and I'm in it, you know, and so it's really fascinating.
And I'm fascinated by the work that you're doing. So thank you for being an advocate in our industry because it's great. And we were definitely, we kind of sporadically have done this AI Corner episodes in a podcast. And my goal is maybe have one episode a week, just kind of speed up that learning curve and would love to have you and more episodes be part of this AI Corners, kind of to spread the word and kind of take the fear out of it and have our industry embrace it for positivity. There's always negative news, negative whatever is going to do, but it's like any tool, it's what you do with it.
It's the person, not a tool. If you're a bad person, you're going to use it to a negative outcome. If you're a good person, then you use positive kind of outcome. So it's different. Yeah, definitely.
So the last couple of questions I ask every guest is, do you have a favorite book or what's your favorite book you read recently? Well, I don't really read. I know that that sounds super bad to say, but my eyesight has gotten, I don't know what happened, but as soon as I got into like my late forties, my eyesight just went out the window. And so it gives me a headache when I read. I do listen to a lot of audio books, but I have undiagnosed ADHD or self-diagnosed undiagnosed.
And so I get bored with this stuff really quickly. So this is going to be horrible to say, but I'm going to tell you anyway. I run books through like, well, I was doing it through ChatGPT and now Claude and say, pull out the main highlights and the frameworks that I can use in my business or in my life. Give me Cliff Notes. Yes, Cliff Notes.
You remember those? Those were my favorite. When I was in high school, I never read a book either. I just used the Cliff Notes. I know this is terrible to say.
I have my degree in mathematics. Maybe that's, let's never forget that. I like numbers. I do. I do the same thing with podcasts.
I mean, YouTube, there's some amazing YouTubers, kind of, forget about the YouTube Shorts and all that, the influencer crowd, it's more educational, especially with AI and marketing. I mean, I can watch all of it. A lot of times, like, hey, can you give me a summary of this podcast? It's super efficient. I would love to watch them all, but it's just not enough hours in a day.
Yes, don't come to me for book recommendations. I mean, I have bookshelves filled with books that I've skimmed through. I did say a book, not necessarily a physical book, but an audio book. I listen to Audible. That's what I listen to.
That's my medium of reading or listening to books. I don't have the attention span to sit and read the whole book, but I use it when I'm driving. When I'm driving on the road, it's a great way to listen to books and podcasts. How about a favorite quote? Uh, you know, I, uh, oof, I should have thought about this.
I should have read your notes before I jumped on. If you don't have one, it's okay. Oh, I have a lot of quotes. I have them all over my message board. Lately, I've been, for the first time in my life, I've been listening to, not reading, listening to the Bible.
So I have a lot of, like, religious quotes. Whatever flows with it. Well, whether it's religion or not, it's all this, like, that we're a part of something bigger and like, you know, even like the way we think, like our mind attracts, like this law of attraction, right? If we think about bad things, I think the quote something is like, if you think about good things, good things are going to happen. If you think about bad things, those are going to be maximized.
So that's kind of this, this world that I'm living in currently. That's awesome. Well, Sabrina, thank you so much. This has been very insightful, tons of energy, tons of wisdom. And like I said, I would love to have you again and especially with the AI Corner angle.
Thank you, Sabrina. Yeah. Thank you, Mo, for having me. This is great. And again, thank you for everything that you're doing.
This is wonderful. Thank you. Well, that was an awesome interview with Sabrina Beer. Tons of energy, tons of wisdom and insight. So when it comes to branding, digital marketing, education, I hope you get a lot of points out of it.
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